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leadership, go to senate, deal over there and then come to boehner and box him in with a deal and present to it him. >> he also said that boehner may want that, too. boehner still doesn't control his caucus. we don't have to ask what the american people wanted. president obama ran on an explicit program of raising taxes on top earners. and boehner is still talking about the romney plan, mess around with loopholes and take away loopholes from top earners. that was romney's plan and romney lost. the president holds the cards here. the world won't come to an end on january 1st if all the rates expire. it's more of a curve. i think we can afford to go off it. >> we'll see. as we quickly approach it. my thanks to the power panel today. i really appreciate your time today. >>> coming up next, a bipartisan plan to fix the nation's debt. the co-chairs are going to join me, ed rendell and former new hampshire senator judd gregg will join me to talk about this. we want to know what you think. should general petraeus have resigned? tweet me your thoughts about this or find me on facebook. oun] today
he does certainly from the far right of his party. you saw boehner say that the party wants to be led. they want to be led as americans, not republicans. again, i think you have somebody like bill crystal who comes out and says republicans need to be more flexible in terms of talking about tax reform. i think norquist in that clip showed a real misreading of what the election was really about. i prish his use of the word -- >> an odd choice of words. >> poopy head. >> they got a thumping here. this is the first president since ronald reagan to win the popular vote in two consecutive elections. they're trying to deny his legitimacy still. >> not all. >> grover norquist is. >> and speaker boehner has said they're ready to be led. >> thank god for one reasonable person. >> he says he's the most reasonable. >> we'll see what happens in january, though. he has that radical right wing tea party caucus to deal with in the house. i want to see them come to grips with reality. >> great pleasure having you both on. as people continue to suffer in the wake of hurricane sandy, thousands are homel
just that at his press conference. give the middle class their tax cuts, speaker boehner. cut it loose so they can go christmas shopping, senator mcconnell. it's what the people voted for. that's why they voted for me. that's the president talking. we are joined now by nbc's chief white house correspondent chuck todd. thanks for joining us tonight. this was a hot pressure cooker press conference and you were in the middle. let's talk about the president's tactic. it looks like he's got one. here he is sticking out his message of defending the middle class today, sticking to it. he practically dared the republicans to hold tax cuts for the middle class hostage. he went back to that word hostage. let's take a look. >> the other option is to pass a law right now that would prevent any tax hike whatsoever on the first $250,000 of everybody's income. i hope republicans in the house come on board, too. we should not hold the middle class hostage while we debate tax cuts for the wealthy. the most important step we can take right now, i think the foundation for a deal that helps the economy, c
of those things need to be in play. when john boehner talks about raising revenue he's willing to do that if it only comes in the form of tax reform, not raising tax rates, but actually lore erring tax rates, closing loopholes, broadening the base and you will get more money coming into the treasury. the other part of the equation that is so important which has not been part of the public conversation is cutting spending, not just slowing the rate of growth but actually cutting spending to try to get this deficit under control. i know the republicans don't control the narrative on this but i want to hear more from them on that side of the equation. jon: julie our nodding your head you must agree. >> i think both sides need to come to the table. enough already with these sort of, you know, showmanship, game man ship, these are people's lives that are at stake in this economy. monica is right in that the president does control the upper hand at this point. if nothing is done all the bush tax rates will expire. you have exit polling coming out of the recent election saying two-thirds of
way to do this and a wrong way and speaker boehner was right that you have to have revenue on the table but that does not mean raising taxes. >> clearly we have the ability between now and the end of the year to not go off the cliff but we can't accept an unfair deal that piles all of this on the middle class and tells them they have to support it. >> now, of course there is room for compromise. raising taxes on the wealthy by closing loopholes instead of the tax rates, that maybe would please republicans on the democratic side maybe. they are saying you kind of are redefine wealth altogether so that maybe tack rates for those making half a million or a million dollars a year go up. we'll see how this goes, as you said, congress will be back tomorrow and there will be a big meeting at the white house on friday with the president. >> and what about the gang of eight, the four republicans and four democrats who have decided to get back to the hard negotiating? what can we make of them returning to the effort? >> you know what, they are all trying hard. they are going to have
boehner said they would continue to staunchly oppose tax rate increases, but on sunday. bill kristolly to republican house members it's not just them versus the president, it's them versus history. >> i think republicans will have to give in much more than they think. four presidents in the last election vo won 50% of the vote twice. roosevelt, eisenhower, reagan, and obama. republicans in the house will be able to get some concessions, but i think there will be a big budget deal next year, and it will be much moran obama budget deal than paul ryan budget deal. elections have consequences. karen capehart, did you expect anything this big this fast? bill kristol is influential with republicans in washington. i'm stunned with what i'm hearing? >> i almost fell out of my chair when boehner said revenues. the idea of increasing revenues. that's a central argument that we have been having over the last four years, and the very expensive i told you so i guess. if we're going to get to this problem, we have to deal with revenues, we can't just do it all on the spending side. >> jonathan capeh
? >> that was speaker of the house, john boehner after congressional leaders met with the president, earlier today to try to negotiate a way to avert the so-called fiscal cliff. both sides of the aisle came out confident that a deal would be made before the january 1 deadline. but neither side provided specifics on how that is going to happen. after boehner's vague comments, there are new concerns that the speaker may give up way too much and agree to tax increases. i'm here to lay out exactly what he has on the table. congressman, good to see you. >> good to be with you, sean. >> sean: i am concerned because -- >> i am -- you and me both? >> i am concerned about caving. you have outgoing virginia governor mcdonald, and former governor haley barbour and others saying, maybe we can give in on these things. did any house republican get elected and say to their constit webts they would raise taxes? if they did, i didn't hear it. >> i don't know a single one. sean, this is not the time to be defensive. and of course, there are plenty of people who say i am very offensive. but this is a time to go on o
a single question, what are you willing to give. you know, when john boehner appears, they say are you willing to accept higher rates. no one says what are you going to do about entitlements or anything, there's no question of the president whether he will compromise and what that would look like. >> paul: steve, what do you think the republicans ought to do here? is there a way out for them or are they going to be pushed back into a corner where they have no choice, but to concede that they have to raise tax rates or else go over the cliff and get blamed for that? >> well, it's a tough situation for them. there's no question about it because as you know, the default position, if we don't do anything is for the taxes to go up on everybody on january 1st, and that's something i think both sides want to avoid. it's very interesting, the thing that happened this week to start the week, was who was the first person that barack obama met with in the white house since his election, the labor unions, the labor block, that tells a lot who is driving policy at least at the start of the second t
age to 67 and cap benefit hikes under social security. obama and house speaker john boehner are due to begin negotiations friday on averting the so-called fiscal cliff of expiring tax cuts and automatic spending reductions set to take effect at the end of the year. speaking in washington, treasury secretary timothy geithner stressed the urgency of reaching a deal. >> i know the cliff is unattractive. it would cause a lot of damage to the american economy. a careful about those who argue and urge for "let's just extend while we negotiate." it will leave a different source of uncertainty on the table, like what would give the people the incentive to come back and do something tough. >> millions of workers in europe have joined a general strike today protesting the wave of spending cuts and tax hikes that has swept the continent in the name of austerity. spanish and portuguese workers are coordinating their strike with work stoppages also planned in greece, italy, france and belgium. we will have more on the strike after headlines. closing arguments have ended in a pretrial hearing to
during that financial meeting to talk with house speaker john boehner and wish him a happy birthday today. boehner turns 63 tomorrow. the president congratulated the speaker and shook his hand. he joked that the white house staff didn't get him a cake because they didn't know actually how many candles they would need. he gave boehner a birthday gift of a bottle of wine. >>> a stunning security breach. mother who crashed through a gate and started driving down an air port runway with her child in the car. >>> the frightening moment a driver plowed straight into a police officer. >>> and the beltway becomes the santa express. how old st. nick took t >>> you ready tonight on news4 at 5:00, we're giving away tickets to hot 99 sold out jingle ball concert featuring justin bieber, casha, flo ridea, and psy gangnam style. look for the secret star of the day, then enter the name on nbc washington for your chance to win. each day we're giving a pair of tickets for vip floor seats. and one winner will get a meet-and-greet with one of the jingle ball artists. >>> in just a matter of hours, the brand
is there to do? the signals from john boehner, the speaker of the house, are that he's got some more leverage with his republican caucus than he had back in the day, and that there is talk of coming up with more revenue. maybe not calling it a tax increase, not a rate increase, but finding some way to raise some more money. >> right. you know, andrea, i hate to sound an optimistic note when it comes to politics, but i do think the signals coming out of john boehner's sort of world, and out of president obama's statement last week is that there can be some common ground here, that president obama, i think, clearly has some leverage due to what happened in the, in his own race, as well as at the senate level. so i think he has that. and then john boehner, i think a little bit more questionable in how much more leverage he has within his own caucus, but we shall see. if both of them can sort of say, look, let's do this, this is important to the country, let's move on, we can disagree about lots of other things, but we're going to compromise and move forward. whether that compromise is not raisin
for the democratic leadership, speaker boehner also intends to stay on, so we'll be seeing some of these elections take place but the big surprise is not a surprise, she's staying put. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell on capitol hill for us. kelly, thanks so much. >>> there is an awful lot happening from capitol hill and during what is expected to be the lame duck session i'll talk with maxine waters next. >>> then just over two hours until the president's news conference, first one difference re-election. what do you think the first question will be? reporters asking about what? tweet me at thomas a. roberts or find me on facebook, thomas a. roberts on msnbc. again? it's embarrassing it's embarrassing! we can see you carl. we can totally see you. come on you're better than this...all that prowling around. yeah, you're the king of the jungle. have you thought about going vegan carl? hahaha!! you know folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. how happy are they jimmy? happier than antelope with night-vision goggles. nice! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you f
boehner is even interested in? >> i think it is probably something that he might consider. this is how negotiations work. congressional "fight club." they stake out their positions and sort of move closer together as they come together and actually meet and discuss this. there are couple options what they can do on the table. president signaled perhaps it doesn't have to be all about getting rates to clinton era levels. perhaps getting revenue from other places. i think that would be healthier, broader tax reform kind of deal made. i'm not sure whether they're all savvy enough to make that deal. i mean. martha: seems to me that is the major issue here. that is what john boehner was hinting at. he is suggesting that if you remove some of the loopholes that is a tax increase on the wealthy in this country. i feel like that is a message that has gotten across in perhaps a clear enough way. if you do same thing for u.s. corporations and roof move tax loopholes and don't end up in a situation where ge doesn't pay anything and small business pays through the nose. why isn't that kind of refo
anything that speaker boehner said make you optimistic? was it just that urgency that you're talking about? >> well, it's the urgency, but i think the spirit at the table was one of everybody wants to make the best effort to get this done. hopefully that is possible. hopefully it is possible by the middle of december so the confidence of the markets and, most importantly, the confidence of the consumers returns to infuse our economy with demand, which creates jobs. >> you said afterwards there would be these milestones of success. how will that work? what are the goals? are there interim goals? >> well, my suggestion was that we at some point, not necessarily today, decide on what our goal is in terms of the amount of deficit reduction that we can achieve, some date by which we'd like to do it, the middle of december so this doesn't take us up to christmas, some milestones along the way so progress can be demonstrated we're moving in a forward direction. >> i spoke to senator michael bennet of colorado earlier this week. he said this really comes down to speaker boehner and president obama
in front of us today. >> president obama and speaker boehner sounding upbeat friday about prospects for cutting a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. we are back with the panel. after the congressional leaders and the president met at the white house on friday the rhetoric was reassuring. the question is is it real? do you get the sense, bob, that really do see or are beginning to see a path to a compromise are they they just trying to calm nervous investors because the stock market is going down a thousand points? >> everyone is nervous about this. this is kind of the last chance. the next six weeks could be six weeks that shook the united states if they don't fix this. there clearly is a new mood, but the way they are going to solve this is kind of hostage exchange. in other words, the republicans are determined not to let tax rates go up. the president is determined or is determined to get more revenue. and it's possible to do this. the president is going along, it seems, with some idea of entitlement reform that we are going to actually cut spending. but this is, you know, they are
of the house and senate to work over thanksgiving to find a solution. >> tomorrow is speaker boehner's birthday. we are not going to embarrass him with a cake because we did know how many candles were needed. >> right. [laughter] >> we do want to wish him a happy birthday. thank you. >> after the meeting, leaders encouraged that they will agreement. democrats and republicans called productive. >> we are hearing from the of the little girl whose production prompted amber alert overnight. the jobless around this morning her parents fled their homes in southern virginia. -- the child was found this after her parents fled virginia. in southern >> early this morning, a ups spotted the vehicle used in the abduction. driver called 911 and .ollowed the car inside the car was the little girl's father. the girl was down a short time later in maryland. >> i am ok. >> there she is, safe and sound family in prince george's county. had no idea police say s -- the child had no idea police say her parents took members inher family staying where she was night. the parents left last after the court told them o t
a series of tax cuts expire and spending cuts kick in. john boehner said he outlined a framework that is consistent with the president's call for a balanced approach of both higher revenue and spending cuts. >> our challenge is to make sure that you know we are able to cooperate together, work together, find some common ground, make some tough compromises, build some consensus to do the people's business. >> while we are going to continue to have revenue on the table it is incumbent for my colleagues to show the american people we are serious about cutting spending and solving our fiscal dilemma, i believe we can do this and avert the fiscal cliff that is right in front of us today. >> the president began the meeting on a chordal note, wishing speaker boehner, shaking his hand, a happy birthday. >>> an oil rig exploded in the gulf of mexico 25 southeast of grand isle, louisiana. two crew members are missing and four injured. the fire that followed the explosion has been extinguished. the rigbylongs to black elk energy, an independent oil and gas company headquartered in houston.
of certain deductions and tax loopholes that benefit the wealthy. speaker of the house john boehner emphasized that hiking taxes on these wealthy americans will hurt the very people who create the jobs. >> we are not going to hurt our economy and make job creation more difficult, which is exactly what that plan would do. >> barack obama has made his clearest demand since winning reelection. taxes on the wealthiest of american citizens must go up. he says the country could suffer a, quote unquote, rude shock if there is too much stubbornness in congress over his agenda and nothing gets done. >> step number one that we can take in the next couple of weeks, provide certainty to middle-class families, 98% of families who make less than $250,000 a year, 97% of small businesses, that their taxes will not go up a single next year. give them that certainty right now. we can get that done. >> question, who will blink first? how will this be resolved? paul. >> both sides have an incentive, even though they're saying the opposite to wait until after the first of the year. after the first of th
. senate majority leader reid said they would work to come up with a deal deal. house speaker john boehner says house speaker john boehner says he thinks they will have a solution before the end of the year. >>> and there are new details about the woman, jill kelley, at the center of the scandal that brought down general petraeus. as nbc's andrea mitchell reports jill kelley's connections went beyond the social elite and tampa, all the way to the white house. >> reporter: jill kelley and her twin sister met at the white house, touring it on november fourth november 4th, two days be general james november 4th, two days before general james clapper, the director of national intelligence was even told about the petraeus scandal. jill kelley mentioned the visit in an e-mail, saying i was at the white house with my friends in the administration this weekend. the stress was surreal. white house officials say the jill kelley sisters were invited by a staffer who may have met at the air force base. jill kelley was bipartisan in her outreach, she and her sister dropped in on a fundraiser for marco
's debt crisis. but speaker john boehner told house republicans that after last week's election the mandate from the american people is to work together even if it means additional revenues through tax reform. meanwhile bill kristol, editor of "the weekly standard," seemed to cave in on the president's demand that wealthy people pay more. >> you know what? it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. really? t >> reporter: the president begins making his case this week. what's different this time is that administration officials are already suggesting to congress that mr. obama is willing to let the deadline pass, let tax rates go up, and spending be cut if he can't get the deal he wants. norah, charlie? >> wow. bill plante in washington, thank you. >>> later this morning we'll ask conservative activist grover norquist if republicans are backing away from his no tax increase pledge. >>> two weeks ago today superstorm sandy battered the northeast. more than 100,000 homes and businesses still have no power. most of them
would be willing to accept and double the amount that speaker boehner had offered the president during their debt negotiations last year. today the president is scheduled to meet with ceos from a dozen companies. there's some of them on your screen. general electric, ford, ibm all playing a part. they'll discuss ways to work together and try to find a balanced approach to reducing the deficit. during a closed-door meeting yesterday with union leaders and liberal supporters, president obama reportedly vowed that he would, quote, not budge when it comes to letting the bush tax cuts expire for the country's highest earners. labor leader and president of the afl-cio, richard trumka, was among those at the white house meeting. he said he and the president are on the same page. >> we're very, very committed to making sure that the middle class and workers don't end up paying the tab for a party that we didn't get to go to. the president led with that notion of protecting the middle class, and now you have republicans that have it in their power, they could sign a bill tomorrow that protects
seem to be moving closer to a key sticking point. >> speaker boehner seemed to suggest that he was open to closing loopholes, to real tax reform. can you get there by just closing loopholes, or will it take more than that? >> well, look, i don't want to prejudge the discussions. i think that the speaker's comments have been encouraging and there is obviously money to be gained by closing some of these, closing some of these loopholes and applying them to deficit reduction. there are a lot of ways to skin this cat. gregg: illinois congressman peter roskam joins us. he is on the house ways and means committee. he joins us from chicago. good to see you. house speaker boehner says he will oppose any increase in tax rates. and the white house said on friday, and i will read this directly, the president will veto any bill that includes an extension of the current tax rates for those earning more than $250,000 a year. so congressman, where is the come promize? >> i think the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. we've heard this language coming from the white house before. we hea
boehner, basically had a deal in place, it ended up getting blown up at the last minute. i think there is a, perhaps, a new conciliation on both sides. i think they were waiting for the election to get over. i think the attitudes are positive on both sides. and i think they've got the framework for a deal already set up from last year. so i don't think that there are any closer but i also don't think they were that far away last year in 2011. >> do you think that closing the loopholes would be enough for a deficit reduction package? >> it doesn't appear that that's going to raise enough revenue to get to where the democrats want that to be. republicans say they don't want to raise rates. there are some -- there's some budget chicanery that can go on in terms of dealing with one baseline instead of another baseline. that's what it looked like boehner wanted to do last year. there are a lot of different options here. it's interesting, bill kristol from the weekly standard appeared to be talking to grover norquist, the anti-tax activist in those comments that he played earlier, talk
election? >> no, not at all. in fact, after election day the president, speaker boehner, senate ma minority leader mitch mcconnell all talking about the facecle life, what they were going to do, not going to do, what they wanted to negotiate, not negotiate, but on friday, as news exploded out from the cia thanks to our own andrea mitchell that the president accepted the resignation of the cia director, general david petraeus, all of that -- you have to add that plus all the things you talked about, fiscal cliff, to what the president has to deal with. as you said, no honeymoon, indeed. >> and added to what jonathan just said, julian, there are some concerns over this that this is just the tip of the iceberg. i want to play you something senator feinstein said to andrea mitchell this afternoon. >> this thing came so fast and hard. since then it's been like peeling an onion. every day another peel comes off and you see a whole new dimension to this. so my concern has actually escalated over the last few days. >> it's clear she's suggesting this is going well beyond the realm of a personal mat
. >> is that the big onus on john boehner? >> i think it is the onus on all of the negotiators. it's all of them at this point. because that's where the spotlight is. yeah. it's going to be quite a task. we saw that when this happened the last time. it's going to come right up to the line. i think we might be here late december. >> the drama will take us through the end of the year. our power panel, jackie kucinich, blake, robert, thanks to all three of you. >>> up next i'll talk with someone who was in this morning's closed door hearing with general petraeus, republican congressman tom rooney will join the show. what do you think about today's testimony? tweet me your comments at thomas a. roberts. we're back after this. [ male announcer ] when was the last time something made your jaw drop? campbell's has 24 new soups that will make it drop over, and over again. ♪ from jammin' jerk chicken, to creamy gouda bisque. see what's new from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do. and you learned something along the way. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. so, why let erectile dysfunc
to avoid tax hikes and spending cuts. john boehner is asking to outline a plan and get fellow republicans on board. ryan will likely be under the most pressure to back away from his conservative politics. his run for vp no doubt brought him some new-found respect and political clout amongst his colleagues. they say they will confident they will be able to reach some sort of a deal by the engineer of the deal, they need to be at an impasse when it comes to taxes. they said any deal to reduce the deficit should come through pro-gross reforms. that means things like lowers rates, and closing loopholes. >> just to close loopholes is far too little money, and they have said they weren't it to be revenue neutral. the president has been very clear, that the higher-income people have to pay their fair share. >> that means no deal from the democrats if republicans will not agree to raise taxes on the wealthy, but pelosi says she is optimistic. more john coming up after the break. stay with us. ♪ created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites
think mr. boehner has got to understand they lost and let the wishes of the majority of the people in this country prevail. but once again, when you have millions of people really struggling in this country economically, when you have some people out there wanting to cut benefits for disabled veterans and people on social security through a so-called chain cpi, you tell me, if there's any state in this country where people think, we're going to cut benefits for disabled veterans and elderly folks but we're going to give more tax breaks for millionaires and billionaire, i personally don't believe there's one state in this country which agrees with that. that's why i'm very happy to see president obama suggesting he's going to get out of capitol hill. he's going to go on the road and explain that issue to the american people. i hope millions of folks all over this country from blue states, from red states, start calling up capitol hill, their congressmen, their senators and say the wealthiest people in this country have to start paying their fair share of taxes. >> senator, good to s
's time to get the job done. >> speaker boehner told republican members they would have to avoid fights. according to the "new york times" they seemed to listen but it doesn't change the basic disagreement that could push the country off the fiscal cliff the 1st of january. that is when tax cuts expire the average family will pay an extra $3700 a year. and severe cuts in defense spending will be triggered. sticking point, taxes. the president won on letting tax cuts for the rich expire. leading republican said, no. if it sounds like the argument we already heard, you are right. democrats appear emboldened. >> if the republicans will not agree with that, we will reach a point at the end of this year where all the tax cuts expire and we'll start over next year. >> the two sides have four more days to lay out their markers. on friday they come to the white house to start negotiations. >> ama: weather, it's been nice out but just chilly. >> i think the clouds that are sitting off the coast will help to warm us up. let's take a live look from vollmer peak cam looking down to the bay bridge.
are democratic and half of whom live in hollywood? >> reporter: republican leader john boehner said when he was talking about being open to new revenue, he was not talking about new tax increases. the president sits down with democrats and republican leaders here on capitol hill on friday. back to you. >> tracie potts in washington. thank you. >>> two weeks after the destruction from hurricane sandy, victims are still trying to put their lives back together. more than 100,000 homes and businesses in new york and new jersey are without electricity as they struggle to rebuild. a 77-year-old man has died from injuries from a fall brunging the city's death toll to 43. homeland security secretary janet nah pop politan know has reaffirmed her commitment to be with those for the duration. now for a look at the weather here is nbc meteorologist bill karins with the weather channel forecast. give me good news. >> that's depends where you are in the west. >> i want sunshine. >> go south. the northwest isn't pretty. rain and snow in many areas of washington state and oregon state. look at the radar. t
of them is obamacare, as john boehner put it the other way, it's the law of the land. that means that businesses are going to be laying people off. that means that over eight million americans who are part time are going to continue to work part time until we see a real resurgence in this economy, certainly. because it's just not economical for the employer to move ahead. it's cheaper for them, in fact, to pay a $2,000 fine. imagine this, to pay $2,000 for an employee they didn't hire who they've hired and not put them on an employee-sponsored insurance plan. this is the exact reversefect of what we had, you know, been told would occur. but we should be used to that, because so much of the -- so many of the consequences have not been intended because they were never thought out by this congress, the previous congress. and we're looking at people saying it's partisanship. let me give you an example of why that's pure bull, shannon, many i fay. shannon: please do. >> one of the companies laying off people is a company called stryker, one of the medical device makers, one of the big
-brainer that even a john boehner or mitch mcconnell have to see they cannot survive politically and oppose that. >> eliot: one would hope so. this is one where you want the president to watch the days and watch and say i'm not moving. this is your fault. >> bill: right. then here's the latest wrinkle. i'm sure you saw yesterday some democrats now say that they're buying the mitt romney plan, if you will, of let's not raise tax rates. let's just close loopholes. right. can you get there -- two-fold question eliot. i hate to put you on the spot. one is what's wrong with raising tax rates and two can you get there just by closing loopholes? >> eliot: nothing and no. nothing wrong with raising the rates on the top folks including me including the president including -- >> bill: and me. >> eliot: this is what this campaign was about. the president spoke to it eloquently. bill clinton. every economic study. i wrote my editorial on my show the other night the congressional research service just came out with a study saying ther
from major players. >> i'm open pro compho comproe myself. >> reporter: speaker boehner said they would have to avoid nasty fights and according to "the new york times," they seemed to listen. but it could push the country offer the fiscal cliff, the 1st of january. that's when the number of tax cuts expired dubbed taxmageddon. and severe cuts that defense spending would be triggered. the sticking point on avoiding that cliff -- taxes. the president campaigned on and won on letting tax cuts for the rich expire. a leading republican said no. >> no republican is going to vote for higher tax rates. we will generate revenue from eliminating deductions from loopholes. >> reporter: if that sounds like the argument we heard before, you're right. that rates for the rich rise. are we headed for that cliff? >> so if the republicans will not agree wi that, we will reach a point at the end of this year where all the tax cuts expire and we'll start over next year. >> on friday, congressional leaders come here to the white house to start negotiations in earnest. david kerley, abc news, the white hous
. boehner and the president were close to a deal last year. the so called grand bargain, $4 trillion in debt reduction, including politically sensitive changes to social security and medicare. many think that blueprint still works. >> and the real problem is uncontrolled entitlement spending and a government that has grown massively, not just under this administration, under republican administration. >> reporter: experts warn of serious damage to the economy if the standoff drags on. >> if three or four weeks from now they're making no progress at all, you'll see the anxiety and nervousness growing in the markets and corporate boardrooms. it's going to be a rough for months. >>> two weeks after the destruction from hurricane sandy, victims are still trying to put their lives back together. more than 100,000 homes and businesses in new york and new jersey are without electricity as they struggle to rebuild. a 77-year-old man has died of injuries from a fall as sandy hit new york, bringing the city's death toll to 43. janet napolitano visited with disaster relief workers in new york, reaffirm
other point that i want to make and that is that my understanding is tomorrow is representative boehner's birthday. for those who want to wish him a happy birthday, we're not going to embarrass him with a cake because we didn't know how many candles were needed -- >> yeah, right. >> but we do want to wish him a happy birthday. >> thank you. >> thank you, everybody. appreciate it. >> house and senate leaders spoke briefly to reporters. >> good morning, everyone. we had a very constructive meeting with the president to talk about america's fiscal problem. i outlined a framework that deals with reforming our tax code and reforming our spending. i believe that the framework that i have outlined in our meeting today is consistent with the president's call for a fair and balanced approach. to show our seriousness, we have put revenue on the table as long it's accompanied by significant spending cuts. while we're going to continue to have revenue on the table, it's going to be incumbent for my colleagues to show the american people that we're serious about cutting spending and solving our fisc
the president had with house speaker boehner a year ago in the summer that you talked about putting social security and medicare on the table but this is a different tile. he's got an election behind him. he's got a majority now looking for a very different course. all of the polls show the overwhelming majority of americans, includion republicans do not want social security and medicare cut in order to deal with deficits, and so i think the president's got the high ground. i think he's going to see a mobilization of his own base, the entire base of the democratic party mobilize to say don't touch medicaid, don't touch medicare and social security, raise taxes on the rich, and protect the vulnerable and he's going to face a lot of his own people if he goes a different way. >> so, let's talk about taxes for a second. i don't know why we're having a discussion with republicans on attaches either. if we let the tax cuts expire and reinstitute the middle class tax cuts, which would be a guarantee, because every politician agrees, we would get $1 trillion. in the so-called grand bargain preside
for these negotiations, john boehner's position is he is open to revenue, but not if it includes increasing the top tax rate. he is only doing it through some mystery process of tax reform where you have a large amount of revenue, but still at 35% of the top tax rate or if boehner has his druthers, have a lower tax rate, maybe 28% as in simpson-bowles. the white house doesn't think the math will work out. they believe even when it can, you have to do such radical things like eliminating charitable deduction at the top brackets entirely, it wouldn't be worth doing if you could. their view, it is not a compromise to say in a future tax reform process you're going to get that money, they're not going to sign anything that doesn't include the top tax rate going up at the end of december. >> justin, you were in the room with the president today. can you confirm that quote that the huffington post has, i am not going to budge, i said in 2010 i'm going to do this once and i meant it? >> i actually don't remember if those are his exact words, and also the president asked us to keep the contents of that meeting
of the united states. house speaker john boehner has less support each day for a hard line approach. republican opposition to tax increases is slipping in congress. anti-tax lobbyist grover norquist no longer as a majority of supporters in either chamber. "the hill" says newly elected republicans refuse to sign the anti-tax pledge during the campaigns and another handful of returning republicans have disavowed their alliance to the written commitment. it's about time. at least they paid attention to the election. today bobby jindal scolded the entire party for the approach to the economy. hold it right there. this comment, he sewer sounds like a democrat. we've got to make sure that weren't the party of big business, big banks, big wall street bailouts, big corporate loophole, big anything. we cannot be, we must not be the party that simply protects the rich so they get to keep their toys. bobby, come on over to the good side, dude. you're talking like a conservative democrat. momentum is on the president's side. he just needs to know how motivated his allies are. the hard work didn't end last
heard. i think a lot of conservative policies wonks hope this is the sort of thing that speaker boehner will glom on to, and that obama will say look, it's not my preferred way to get 1 trillion from wealthy americans but it does get me there. it doesn't have a huge impact on the middle class and can avoid a big fight and gives up on the rate increases. i don't think obama is going to give up on the rate increases that easily because they have been so central to his--both of his political campaigns as president even though you know at the end of the day he would end up at the same revenue baseline that he's looking for. it would appear to his base he's supporters like a pretty big cave. >> eliot: i think you're right. after the strength of his commentary and since the election where increasing rates has become the mantra, the line in the sand that people expect him to toe and stay very strict on. anything that backs off from that would require extensive preparation and conversation with his base. i'm not sure he's preparing the base for that right now. added to what we're talking about
's chief negotiating adversary right now, speaker john boehner who was re-elected by house republicans yesterday said they're not ready to accept the president's proposal because it would, quote, hurt our economy and make jobs more difficult. but he also sounded the kumbaya theme. >> now, i do think that the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week, from myself and my team. from democrats across the aisle. from the president. have created an atmosphere where i think that, i remain optimistic. >> folks, there are a lot closer than sometime the bravadoish headlines seem to make clear. this is really about what can boehner take to 50 to 100 house republicans who are willing to temporarily potentially raise some tax rates on some group of wealthier americans? >>> by the way, after $6 billion spent on house senate and presidential campaign, not only did party control not change for the house, senate and white house. but the individual leaders who will begin the negotiations tomorrow, it's the exact group of people. there are some personnel changes but not on that leadership
scoring. or closing loopholes that have not been identified. >> on this day, house speaker john boehner claimed that gallup survey showed most people support lowering the deficit ending the tax loopholes and making needed spending cuts. but that is not specific enough for white house. boehner wasn't more detailed the day before. >> getting in to the specifics of that at this point would not be con deuce i to try to come to the white house. >> republicans and democrats continue to position themselves for friday startup talks between the president and congressional leaders. each accusing the other of refusing to compromise. >> the keys to the car are heading toward the fisca cliff are in republican hands. >> liberal democrats demand 1 to 1 ratio of higher tax re-knew to spending cuts, some conservatives are demanding the only increase revenue come from the expanded economic growth. there is little prospect of that enough to avoid the cliff. meanwhile, senator coburn is calling for democrats cut and democrats to find savings in medicare and medicaid. the oklahoma republican admits it's nor
. the biggest unknown variable here is what the republican conference is going to do and whether boehner can rally the guys to get them on board. that is the biggest question here, because no matter what they decide among the leaders, they have to get it past the house and the senate. >> and you know, there is also compromise idea being floated around right now to keep the rates the same, but eliminate the deductions for the rich. nancy pelosi making her position on that very, very clear. take a listen to this. >> is that something that is acceptable? >> no. >> nott all, no way? >> no, the president made it very clear in his campaign that there is not enough, there are not enough resources -- what you just described as a formula and a blueprint for hammering our future. >> you know, dana, if she is hardening her stance here as we watch the rhetoric, does it matter here, because nancy p pelosi, really, how big of a seat does she have at the table right now? >> no. she is, and something of a highchair at this point. she is not particularly relevant to this debate. the president was nowhere nea
boehner has a big task ahead of him. can the house speaker pull the gop together and try to make a deal with the president on the fiscal cliff as jay leno was talking about. should he? should a deal be made? a fair and balanced debate is coming up. lots of talk how the united states will eventually be world's top oil producer. that is what some say. there are questions why it is taking so long. those stories and breaking news all "happening now." jenna: well, it is a little unbelievable, but there is lot of twists and turns in this scandal we've been following so closely surrounding former cia chief and now others. hi, everybody. glad to have you with us. i'm jenna lee. rick: happy tuesday. i'm rick folbaum in for jon. controversy over the timeline of events over the petraeus investigation with members of congress wanting to know why the fbi didn't notify them and the white house until just recently when it began months ago. that investigation far from over. fbi searching the home of petraeus's alleged mistress, paula broadwell. after david petraeus resigned his post as america's top sp
driving the decisions made here. i think citing i believe speaker boehner, it's fair to say that the president also believes we don't -- he's not looking to box himself in or box other people's ideas out. as we approach the conversation that will be in on friday. >> suggest to the meeting that just took place they might have to give up more than they would like? >> i think the president has made very clear that everyone, throughout this process, not just in this past week since the election, but for some time now, that the whole point of compromise is that nobody gets to achieve their maximalist position. that was the approach we took throughout negotiations in 2011 and it's the principle the president has based his own proposals on. if you look at, again, the programs that the president has already cut through legislation he signed into law, if you look at the savings he's willing to enact as part of his plan, it demonstrates a willingness to give so that you can meet your negotiating partner somewhere in the middle and reach a deal. >> you don't have any specific -- >> i d
boehner immediately saying he generally supportive of trying to close the loop holes. do you see that as raising taxes? >> what boehner said and in the republican position since republican we should reduce rates have economic growth many of which are put in by obama for the solyndra green-type energy programs. let's bring the rates down. boehner was clear he wanted increase revenues it is not a tax increase to put more americans at work. if our recovery was growing the rate reagans did more americans would be at work. in terms of raising revenue which boehner grew about. if you grew the economy at reagan levels instead of two percent and obama and french levels, just growing faster and do that for a decade, the federal government gets trillions in taxes. we could undo the damage by having higher growth. >> gretchen: that's the difference in ideology. raise it to 3#.9 percent x. replace the alternative minimum tax with the buffet and raise the state tax and long-term capitol gains from 15-20. where do you think that those four points will go in negotiations with the republicans? >
boehner used a post-election conference call with rank-and-file republicans to plead for patience, to give him running room to negotiate with the president who did just win reelection. mandate or not. >> let's discuss what's going on in our "strategy session." joining us are donna brazile and alex castellanos. that bill crystal comment, go ahead, raise the taxes on the wealthy, maybe more than $250,000, maybe $1 million a year. he says, what's wrong with that? half of them voted for obama anyhow in hollywood, he makes that point. >> i think the big thing is republicans want to plant as much seed corn into the economy so it will grow. but here's how the republicans in the house are looking at this thing. i've talked with a few of them this week. this is not about a deal to raise taxes. we already have a deal to raise taxes. when these tax cuts expire, taxes will go up for everybody. what we're talking about is a deal to get some of the money back. >> but no one wants the taxes to go up for the middle tax, for people making less than $250,000 a year. everyone agrees they should have the curr
they will or will not go on this issue. house speaker john boehner says he believes they can reach a deal. >> i don't think anyone, on either side of the aisle under estimates the difficulty that faces us. but i do think the spirit of cooperation that you've seen over the last week from myself and my team, from democrats across the aisle, from the president, have created an atmosphere where i think that, i'm, i remain optimistic. i was born with a glass half-full. >> what i have told leaders privately as well as publicly, is that we can not afford to extend the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. what we can do is make sure that middle class taxes don't go up. 98% of americans are not going to see their taxes go up. 97% of small businesses are not going to see their taxes go up. if we get that in place, we are actually removing half of the fiscal cliff. martha: doug schoen, former pollster to president bill clinton. monica crowley, radio talk show host. both are fox news contributors and what i'm hearing through both of those quotes we're pretty much where we were the last time that the president and john boehn
connell, who's the senate minority leader, he's taking a tougher stand than even boehner. let's listen to both of those positions. >> let's be clear. an opening bid of $1.6 trillion in new taxes just isn't serious. it's more than simpson/bowles or any other bipartisan commission has called for. it's been unanimously rejected in the house and senate. it's twice as much as the white house agreed to last summer during the debt ceiling talks, and looked at in the context of the spending cuts yet to be implemented, it amounts to about 20 cents in cuts for every new dollar in tax hikes. in other words, no cuts at all. it's a joke. a joke. >> we right away say 98% of americans are not going to see their taxes go up. 97% of small businesses are not going to see their taxes go up. if we get that in place, we are actually removing half of the fiscal cliff. half of the danger to our economy is removed by that single step. >> okay. so is it a joke, or as the democrats would say, the math isn't adding up? let's look at the issue of deficit reduction. the democrats say the -- let's say if you cut loopholes
tax increases one way or another. bill: do you think that flies in the u.s. house? does john boehner have the votes to match that? >> the white house figures he will portray himself as the chapel yofnt middle class and the republicans are going out for the rift and he feels he can largely beat hem into submission. when they sit down to the bargaining table they might make some changes but he will want to come out of these negotiations as having largely won them and leaving scraps for the republicans. what the republicans have to hit back with is the way you increase revenues is by having rising incomes. you don't get that by higher taxes on a weakening economy. bill: the president plans to open the talks using his most recent budget proposal. wasn't that the budget that got zero votes in the senate? >> he's going to exploit it for all it's worth. you could come to an agreement using bowles and simpson and reducing rates so everyone declares victory. you have got more revenue but the rates don't go up. but i don't think the president is interested in that. if you had normal people doi
to be here. thank you so much. >> thanks so much. >>> a fiscal cliff, it's coming and if obama and boehner don't compromise, could mean economic disaster, but some lawmakers say hey, there's no rush. actually, we should go over that fiscal cliff. i have a cold, and i took nyquil, but i'm still stubbed up. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ male announcer ] alka-seltzer plus liquid gels speeds relief to your worst cold symptoms plus has a decongestant for your stuffy nose. thanks. that's the cold truth! time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you really don't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it finds one, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all you need is a magic carriage. citi price rewind. buy now. save later. >>> people are counting down the days until the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. the tax cuts and cu
the house speaker john boehner, the president, you can see him sitting there. let's listen to the president. thank them for their time and i think we're all aware that we have some urgent business to do. we have to make sure that taxes don't go up on middle class families and that our economy remains strong and creating jobs and that's an agenda that democrats and republicans and independents, people all across the country share. our challenge is to make sure that we are able to cooperate together, work together, find some common ground, make some tough compromises and build some consensus to do the people's business and what folks are looking for and i think all of us agree on this is they want to see that we are focused on them and not focused on our politics. my hope is this is a fruitful process where we will come to agreement that will reduce our deficit in a balanced way. i want to thank the leadership for coming and with that wool get to work. thank you very much, everybody. wait, wait, excuse me, there is actually one other point that i wanted to make. that is that my understanding
there to some degree was house speaker john boehner. ms. mcconnell digging his heels at democrats in the senate digging their heels and the president appears to be doing the same as well, as we will have to see what happens. dagen: what has been the reaction the corporate bond market? this thread has gotten wider, but is that because the yield on the 10-year is falling? >> we have seen some selling take place, corporate are linked to equities to some degree, we've all seen the trade-off they place in equities. there have been several new issues come into the marketplace over the last several days. if you look at a couple of weeks ago they were substantially oversubscribed. if you look at one place where the market has benefited from all of this comic has been muniz. units have reached all-time record lows. a lot of demand take place, certainly all this discussion about tax increases have gotten people worried. also another impact as well, a series of ballot measures that took place last election day, and the ones that were passed were generally bond market friendly. for example in california th
on that famous fiscal cliff. and speaker john boehner's getting in on the love. >> 2013 should be the year to begin to solve our debt through tax reform and entitlement reform. this framework can lead to common ground. because if there was a mandate in this election, it was a mandate to work together to do what's in the best interest of our country. >> but any fundamental reform is going to require republicans to break their signed pledge against raising taxes. we'll discuss that next on "now." hungry for the best? it's eb. want to give your family the very best in taste, freshness, and nutrition? it's eb. want to give them more vitamins, omega 3s, and less saturated fat? it's eb. eggland's best eggs. eb's. the only eggs that make better taste and better nutrition... easy. eggland's best eggs. better taste. better nutrition. better eggs. it's eb. >>> let's have a serious debate. don't scream and yell. you know what, it won't kill the country if we raise taxes a little bit on millionaires. it really won't, i don't think. i don't see why republicans don't take obama's offer to freeze taxes f
to december 29th and dictator obama forced this on us. is that the game mcconnell and boehner play here? >> i think they know that game won't play well. they have to play it. everyone has to take a sacrifice here, and when you do the numbers with america's finances to keep the entitlements entact, if slightly different from today, to keep social security intact and get the economy back and growing, everyone has to take a little bit of a hit, whether it's the private equity guy with his carried interest exclusion and the $750,000 home morn tax deduction, which is completely absurd. that doesn't help the middle class. they all have to happen. if everyone is -- you saw bob corker last week or over the weekend. there are a lot of sensible people out there. i think sensible minds will prevail. this is just a fiscal cliff. it pushes it off to july 4th to be patriotic with an agreement and framework to work towards a big deal. it is only this artificial construct we're talking about now. what we need to get for everybody to be happy and the markets to be happy and the chinese and the japanese and th
speaker john boehner. senator collins told the newshour today that she's optimistic lawmakers can still strike a deal and stave off the spending cuts. >> so this has to be done carefully. i think the president's right that -- and i've said this for a long time -- that we have to look at both revenues and spending. but there eds to be compromise on both sides. >> woodruff: but mcconnell said the president needs to put a proposal on the table if any agreement is going to pass. >> the time for the president to lead is now. that means offering a concrete plan that takes into account the fact that half the congo poses tax hikes. >> woodruff: on the democratic side house minority leader nancy pelosi rejected calls by some in the party who have argued for letting the country go over the cliff to get a better deal. >> i want you to b disabused any notion that there's any widespread thought that it would be a good as a country for us to go over the cliff. we want an agreement. we want an agreement. >> woodruff: law mangers will have to try to differences on the fiscal cliff and other issues with
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